At the edges of lean are the practices that look just like lean – but the people who practice them don’t think of themselves as lean practitioners. My guest is Brandon Williams of LeadTAC. Brandon was an F-15 pilot for the US Air Force, and in this podcast we talk about what leadership lessons can be learned from the people who fly planes at 1,800 miles per hour, and how human factors and situational awareness can improve work for everyone. And we talk about how lean leadership is like the leadership Brandon learned in military, and focus on overlaps in the thinking patterns – and what’s different.