The Edges of Lean — Episode 51 Continuous Improvement and the Smart of Art with Michaell Magrutsche

Michaell Magrutsche thinks that systems get in the way of our humanity.  I believe that (good) systems are necessary for humanity to thrive.  I thought a conversation was in order!


Michaell Magrutsche

Michaell is a California Multimedia Artist, writer, advisor born in Vienna-Austria, Magrutsche’s visual work has been coined Liminal Hard Edge, Reductive Pop and Antidepressant.


 Key Topics in this podcast:

  • Michaell’s career background
  • What does it feel like to be a person that doesn’t fit the system?
  • Chaos theory painting explained
  • The difference between knowledge and wisdom
  • How does system harm us and help us and how humanity can flourish in a system-driven world.
  • What is art and its importance in our system



  • In order to have a good system, humans must be allowed to be limitless and powerful.
  • Knowledge is an important part of life. It can be defined as the understanding and abilities that someone has obtained from experience or education; it also may refer to information about some specific topic that they possess due to their expertise on the said subject matter
  • Wisdom is the ability to take practical action in your life. It’s not something that can be given or bought, it has been developed through experience and this takes time
  • The arts are a powerful tool for improving our society. They can help us to better understand ourselves, each other, and the world around us by providing opportunities that lead towards self-expression in all shapes and forms! 
  • Human appreciation for value is an essential part of being human.


Memorable Quotes From Michaell Magrutsche


“Be yourself which is on the way, and understand what’s real”


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